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Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

25.11.2025
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Ilya & I discuss SSI’s strategy, the problems with pre-training, how to improve the generalization of AI models, and how to ensure AGI goes well.

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Timestamps

() – Explaining model jaggedness

() - Emotions and value functions

() – What are we scaling?

() – Why humans generalize better than models

() – SSI’s plan to straight-shot superintelligence

() – SSI’s model will learn from deployment

() – How to think about powerful AGIs

() – “We are squarely an age of research company”

() – Self-play and multi-agent

() – Research taste


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